Bottled Water - Bad Idea
Save money, Saving Money on Groceries May 23rd, 2007So, I have a friend at the office. Ok, more like a co-worker or colleague than a friend.
Every morning, he brings in two empty 2L water bottles, and fills it them up with water from the water cooler. We make fun of him, and tell him that he’s taking cheap way beyond the limit. Way beyond what is necessary.
“Hey, you’re the cheap guy around here. What makes me so different?”
Respecting your time.
You have to respect your own time. I asked him how much is he really saving, by filling up those water bottles and bringing them into work, and bringing them back. They will be lukewarm when he gets home, and for me, warm water is undrinkable water. How much time does he spend doing this, thinking about how to get the water home? What happens when he doesn’t go straight home after work, and instead grabs a beer with us after work?
Why doesn’t he respect his own time? Doesn’t he realize how valuable it is?
Sure, he probably saves $2-$3 a day doing this. Say that there are 250 work days a year, so he’s saving about $5-700 a year. So he’s smart right?
So, for the sake of argument, he spends 20 minutes a day on water. And he saves about $2.50 each day, so that means he’s saving $7.50 per hour.
If he made minimum wage, at $5.15 an hour, this makes perfect sense. He’ll be earning $2.35 more per hour doing this way than doing anything else. And this is BEFORE factoring all those taxes that the government levies on people, regardless of where they are in relation to the poverty line.
But this is a white collar job. He works in an office, and I don’t know exactly what he makes, but let’s say he makes AT LEAST $40,000 a year. That’s a very conservative number. I am going to assume his benefits and his taxes balance each other out, because I can’t (and won’t) get into that much detail here. (It simply isn’t worth my time.) There are about 2000 working hours per year, so his average hourly wage is $20. So, by doing this, he’s actually losing $12.50 per hour.
So it isn’t worth his time.
Bottle water - Not that healthy for you
Bottled water is so expensive, not because of anything intrinsic in the water itself. The water isn’t that different from normal tap water. But the packaging and the marketing is great, and that’s what you pay for.
Bottle water is selling a lifestyle. People who drink bottled water are those who apparently take care of themselves a little better. They have been fooled by the water companies that bottled water is a little more pure and healthier than tap water.
The bottled water is not regulated by the government. There are no real standards in place to distinguish bottled water from tap water. Officially, according to the United States government, the bottled water and tap water are pretty much the same. Do you really know something that the government doesn’t?
Screw the bottle, get a filter
If you really believe that you need higher quality water, then go out and buy a filter. In college, we used Brita filters to filter water, but of late, I hear that a lot of college students now use them to filter vodka. They say that you can take a really cheap vodka, and pass it through a Brita a couple times to make it pretty drinkable.
I guess that’s a good, albeit unorthodox, way to save money.
But nowadays, most people just install filters directly on their faucets. In doing so, you get higher quality water (even better than the bottled water) at a much lower price. A Brita Faucet Filter system costs about $40 on Amazon, and a two filter pack costs $30. Each filter lasts four months, so we’ll just say it’s $70 for the four months, and $4 per month thereafter.
$70 for four months = $18 per month. The first four months will be the most expensive, but instead of spending 20 minutes each day, or an hour and 40 minutes each week, or about six hours a month, we’re spending $18. So that’s about $3 an hour, which is a lot cheaper than the $7.50 per hour rate from stealing water from the office.
And after the next four months, it becomes even cheaper. At $4 per hour, the hourly rate goes down to about $0.70.
Some people never learn.
I guess this is why this person is a colleague and not a friend. I have tried to explain this to him on several occasions, running through the numbers with him and talking about how his business presence is severely compromised with this money-saving habit of his, but to no avail.
He thinks he’s doing something smart, in spite of all the facts I have given him. The point is, you can save money, and be smart about saving money. Going for short term savings in spite of long term losses is almost the definition of cheap, and against the general tenets of thriftiness. (or is it “thrift?”)










May 24th, 2007 at 8:08 am
That’s why so many utility companies are getting into the water business.
Let’s face it, in most countries, bottled water, which effectively pours out the sky at zero cost, is sold at a higher price than petrol/gasoline, which requires drilling, shipping around the world, refining, transporting in special trucks, and careful storage at the pump station. The profits are huge.
May 24th, 2007 at 10:56 am
Not only are the profits are huge, but the amount of waste and pollution created is also incredibly high. And like you so aptly said, it falls from the sky for free. I had not thought about comparing it to petrol/gasoline, but doing so makes bottled water seem even more absurd!
May 25th, 2007 at 3:36 am
Generally, I’d agree that bottled water isn’t worth it … except for one brand. Fiji, the stuff is fricking amazing taste wise. Evian, Dasani, etc… are about as good as your average spring or distilled water. About the same as I get out of my sink in all honesty… but fiji… mmm…
May 25th, 2007 at 4:17 am
I use bottled water in beer making - for one reason - tap water contains chlorine and in making beer one has to boil this out otherwise it kills the yeast. Buying big 5 liter containers of bottled water is much cheaper for me!
May 25th, 2007 at 4:20 am
How is this guy losing money again? He gets paid whether he’s sitting at his desk, or filling up his bottled water. Your logic makes no sense. Plus where do you get the number 20 minutes for the time it takes to fill up a bottle of water? Where are your water fountains located? Another city?
May 25th, 2007 at 4:21 am
They did a study recently on bottled water. People who use old water bottles are more likely to get stick because they can not properly clean them. If he is going to do something like that tell him to seriously use a mug or something he can put in a dish washer and clean. Otherwise that water bottle turns into a breeding place for bacteria.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:24 am
I don’t completely agree with the notion that bottled water and tap water are exactly the same. More to the point, I think it depends on the *kind of bottled water* you’re talking about.
A friend of mine recently developed ovarian cancer and underwent chemo therapy. During that period, she was told to stay away from spring water (due to the potential presence of cryptosporidium and other critters); those can be fatal to someone whose immune system has been compromised (in her case, through the chemo).
On the other hand, she was encouraged to drink distilled water, because distilled water undergoes a rigorous purification process (reverse osmosis, etc.) that kills bacteria and makes it safer than spring water–safe enough that even those with compromised immune systems can drink it. Its purity is the reason why distilled water often shows up in science labs, where the water used needs to be as pure as possible so that it doesn’t throw off the results of an experiment.
The label on bottled water will tell you whether the facilities producing that water has been inspected and approved (”NSF Certified,” for example), versus someone just pouring it out of their kitchen sink. In many cases, regulatory facilities come to the facility unannounced to see how the water is being processed. Those who pass the bar are allowed to continue operations and can put the certification stamp on their label. If you don’t see that stamp, forget it.
Just some things to think about.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:27 am
while Fiji is quite excellent, VOSS is about the best there is. A buddy of mine is really big on the pure imported drinking waters and has actually passed blind taste tests numerous times. However, that does not excuse the fact that the enviromental impact on what goes into getting that water here is HUGE.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:31 am
That vodka filtering was tested by Mythbusters, and it was proven to be pretty much untrue. First off you needed to filter it ALOT of times, and buy alot of filters as the vodka ruins them in pretty much 1 filtering.
The cost of doing this is much higher then buying topshelf vodka.
On another note this “bottle water” was a total laugh. I guess he cant put the water in his fridge when it gets warm eh?
Also warm water is BETTER for you as your body does NOT have to work as much to intake the fluid. You body works against the cold to get it “warm”. Thats why the colder the water the “cooler” you feel because you body has to work harder using more energy….
May 25th, 2007 at 4:31 am
It depends of course where you live. Here in Spain, water from the tap contains really a lot of chloride, and several times a year it also contains mud. Most people drink bottles water, but we use a filter. However, the filter only lasts a couple of weeks.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:34 am
You seem less irritated about bottled water and more irritated by your co-worker. Perhaps the rant should have been about him instead.
Most people who purchase bottled water aren’t buying it because they believe it tastes better or is safter than regular tap water. They simply want the bottle because it’s convenient to carry around and you can close it up and shove it back into the fridge if you want to. Plus they almost always refill them with tap water.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:37 am
Whoever posted that bit about how he’s actually losing money because he’s spending 20 MINUTES A DAY on doing this is clearly retarded. He probably spends 2 or 3 minutes a day. Here’s a great tip people, ditch those cheap breakable possibly chemical-leaching LDPE bottles for a polycarbonate reusable wide-mouth $9 Nalgene tumbler. If you want to get really fancy, get a $7 to $15 caribiner to boot and you’re good to go. I carry mine with me everywhere.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:38 am
I’m sorry, but *20 minutes a day thinking about water*?! Where the heck did you come up with that number? You actually think that this guy spends 20 minutes a day *thinking* about the freakin’ logistics of transporting his water? He probably spends NO time thinking about it. He did his reasoning up front, and now only spends 2-3 minutes filling up the bottles. He probably, in total, has spent less time thinking about his little scheme than you have thinking about how silly his little scheme is.
So he takes his water home, and it gets warm. So what? He most likely has a refrigerator. So he *cools his water* when he gets home, restoring the luster that *you* find so valuable. So valuable, in fact, that you cannot drink water that is warm. Ya know… there are countries out there where warm clean water, *any* clean water, is a luxury item. Mind sets like yours are part of the reason us Americans are no so well liked these days.
Some people never learn.
Do you have *any* idea how inefficient bottled water is? We live in AMERICA. Do we *really* need to pay extra for the bottled water that’s basically already coming out of our faucets, for next to nothing? Educate yourself, and then revel in the basics of recycling:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/pablo_calculate.php
May 25th, 2007 at 4:48 am
“There are about 2000 working hours per year, so his average hourly wage is $20. So, by doing this, he’s actually losing $12.50 per hour.”
I’d imagine he’s still on the clock while he’s at the water cooler, so HE’s not losing money, his employer is. HE’s getting PAID while he gets water.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:50 am
Your ‘friend’ the office worker is not sacrificing his earnings to fill the bottles, he is a salaried worker whose mis-spent time only hurts his corporate masters. He’s making the right move - as long as his boss doesn’t fire him due to his ‘water breaks’
May 25th, 2007 at 4:57 am
But if he’s doing it on office time, he is still getting paid while filling up the bottles; wouldn’t that make a difference?
Aside from personal preference on drinking water (Warm water, cold water, hot water, to me it’s all the same. As long as I don’t lose tastebuds.)
May 25th, 2007 at 4:59 am
Your math assumes that he’s not getting paid while he fills up at the water cooler. If you’ve got a water cooler, then its likely he’s salaried and so he’s probably getting paid to fill up his water bottles, which makes the savings moot. In fact, its just like - GASP! - the company’s buying him water…
May 25th, 2007 at 5:00 am
I thought Fiji was under fire for having Arsenic in it?
May 25th, 2007 at 5:06 am
Where is this habit of starting sentences with “So,” coming from? I can’t listen to Paul Thurott speak any more because he does it so much.
I count at least 4 of them here….. Ugh.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:12 am
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May 25th, 2007 at 5:13 am
Though I do agree that bottled water is not superior to tap water, I really wouldn’t care at all if a coworker was bottling water to take home - I seriously don’t have the time or inclination to worry about what everyone else is doing with their lives, or their money, but thanks anyway for the article. I just wish you had gotten to the point more quickly.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:13 am
20 minutes a day? How did you come up with that number? It shouldn’t take more than 5 minutes to fill up those bottles. And he is already commuting to and from work, he’s just adding the bottles to his belongings. It shouldn’t take him any longer, at least bringing the empty bottles in the morning.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:15 am
He’s most likely salary and is getting paid while filling those bottles of water. That point is moot.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:21 am
This is a fair enough argument, IF YOU LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES. There are many places in the world where tap water isnt anywhere near drinkable. In fact, you’ll probably end up very ill if you decide to try it. Its even worse for people who are not from that area, like, say, american tourists. Water needs to be either filtered, or bought. Don’t go around drinking tap water in places because you think you’re saving yourself some money. It will seriously harm you.
But as for your colleague, yeah, he’s being a bit silly.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:25 am
You are forgetting an important fact…he is white collar and probably salary (I think you hinted at that). So since he gets in at say 8am, he doesn’t actually start working until 8:30am by the time he has filled the bottles up.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:27 am
It seems like the guy filling the water bottles is making money to me. Your numbers say filling the bottles is the equivalent to $2.35 an hour, and he makes $20 an hour. How is he losing $12.50 an hour? It’s not like he stops getting paid when he is getting water! I would think you would add the numbers together, no subtract. So it seems that he is actually making 22.35 an hour while he is filling his water bottles!
May 25th, 2007 at 5:28 am
This is a dumb calculation.
There are VAST differences between brands of bottled water. Dont know about US, but in EU there is “Mineral water” and there is “Spring water”. Mineral Water must have a certain amount of minerals in it, spring water can be anything including regular tap-water. So whats in your office?
In tap water (and spring-water) there can be LOTS of Chlorine to kill off bacteria, Chlorine has been linked to heart-disease.
Don’t say there is no difference, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
Water filters also cost money. They have to be changed and/or cleaned regularly. They are expensive.
Secondly, you assume he spends 20 mins? But it’s probably more like 3 mins. (how long does it take to fill two bottles?). Yes he has to carry it home, but he’s going that way anyway. Further he is using 3 mins of COMPANY time, not his own time. And with regards to lukewarm water? ever heard of something called a “fridge”?
This is a lame story. More power to him for saving 700$/year!
May 25th, 2007 at 5:29 am
Is he actually losing $12.50/hr? Working in an office means he’s probably on salary (as opposed to being an hourly worker). If he has some free time, why not fill your bottles with water and save some money?
May 25th, 2007 at 5:29 am
I think a lot of people in this country would be happier if they stopped worrying about what other people are doing, get their heads out of their posterior and take a good look in the mirror.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:32 am
I can’t think that your economic argument stacks up - sure, he might be on $40k a year, but only for 8 hours a day, the time spent saving him money apparently isn’t reducing the time he’s paid for his day job?
I don’t see the problem. Especially if he’s happy with the temperature and quality of the water.
The only thing that doesn’t stack up for me is how on earth it takes twenty minutes to fill up two bottles?!
May 25th, 2007 at 5:32 am
A lot of research has shown as well that bottled water is actually *worse* for you, since it sits around on store shelves while bacteria inside multiply and toxic chemicals in the plastic (such as phthalate) leach into the water.
The waste generated by plastic bottles has already been mentioned here, but let’s look at the environmental cost of shipping crates of water around to distribute what really ought to be a local resource.
Do as the article says… buy yourself a good carbon or RO filter and drink your municipal water.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:32 am
Your cost analysis is flawed in that you assume someone is willing to PAY HIM for the 20 minutes a day that he spends getting the water. If noone else is willing to pay him for those 20 minutes, then he’s not losing anything.
Or, since you see him getting the water, perhaps he is getting the water while on the clock at your job. So someone –namely, your boss– is paying him to get water. So he is getting paid $20/hr to collect water for his personal consumption. Not a bad gig if you can get it.
Sure, there’s no such thing as a free lunch. But YOU and your coworkers are the morons, subsidizing this geniius’ free water. That $20/hr that your boss is paying him could be going to your comp packages. Not to mention the cost of the water itself. AND someone has to make up for the 20 minutes of lost productivity. Yup, you get screwed, again, bud!
As for the water being no better than tap, who cares? He’s not paying for it.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:34 am
#1 - He’s not wasting his time, he’s doing it on company time… free for him…
#2 - You can always refridgerate it when you get home… it wasn’t ‘always’ cold… and letting it get warm doesn’t ruin it…
#3 - Some of us, like myself, don’t buy bottled ’spring’ water… we buy bottled ‘distilled’ water… which, by law, is very different than tap water… (by law, it’s distilled, which means it’s virtually pure water… not filtered… distilled… and distilation equipment is priced for residential ownership)
May 25th, 2007 at 5:36 am
The ‘for sake of argument’ premise doesn’t make sense. The guy doesn’t spend 20 minutes on two 2 litre bottles. All he really expends is the time to fill the bottles. The time going to work, getting water from the bottle and drinking would have been expended anyway even if he filled his glass from a faucet. In fact, he may save the time filling a glass from a faucet if he quaffs from the bottle.
And who cares if you don’t like warm water. This guy obviously doesn’t care.
The dude is a colleague and not a friend because you’re a dick.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:37 am
Consider this, In Perth, Australia you can buy a one litre bottle of coke during the summer months cheaper than you can buy a one litre bottle of water. Coke manufacturing is a complex process and has to be certified compliant to the Coke specifications. Bottled water is just ground water filtered through a dirt filter and treated with ozone to kill the bugs. Too properly filter tap water you need a two stage filter. The first stage is a dirt filter, the second stage is a carbon filter which removes all the chemicals used to purify the water for human consumption. The end result is better than bottled water and a lot cheaper. Bottled water is just marketing. The British once sold canned London air to New Yorkers. Someone made millions.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:38 am
20 minutes to fill 2 bottles? Is he handicapped?
Luke warm water? Does he not have a fridge at home?
What a rediculous argument.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:38 am
maybe your friend finds it easier to part with 20 min of time then the $5 it would cost him EVERY day. i also don’t agree with your math. 1. it probably takes 2 min to fill the water (and 15 listening to you guys give him crap). i don’t think that you can count the travel time to get the water home and back to the office because he has to go home. it’s not out of his way to “go home”, he just has more to carry. it would take way more then 2 min to go to the store every day to buy water (probaby close to you 20 min). which takes me to point 2. durring the time that it takes to fill the water he is getting paid for it because he is at work. if he went to the store he would be grtting paid. i am sure that he can buy a case or 2 when he goes to the grogery store and that “time” to buy the water would be even less.
i wouldn’t conside myself cheep, and i buy bottled watter and had a reverse osmosis system in my house (yes i am serious about water, no i don’t sell water), but some people don’t like to part with money, and i agree, your friend is crazy…
May 25th, 2007 at 5:43 am
While there is an issue about the morality of bottling company water and taking it home, lets focus more on your analysis: Your analysis is flawed in two respects.
#1: you assume that the co-worker forfeits his salary while he bottles the water. This is a fundamental problem with the ‘value your time’ methodology. You assume he would be earning $20/hour doing something else. That’s a pretty brave assumption. Not everyone’s an entrepreneur. Actually his time is free, unless he’s actually doing something to earn money 24/7. So he isn’t losing anything in this exchange.
#2: Names and labels are critical when dealing with food products (which includes tap and bottled water). Aquafina (Pepsi) and Dasani (Coke) are basically bottled tap water with a shiny sticker and an outrageous price (why even bother with cola when you can skip the syrup and charge twice as much for just the water?!? Brilliant!). However, there are other types of bottled water on the market. Terms like “Spring water” or “natural sparkling water” indicate water that you’ll never get from the tap, because it probably wasn’t purified (bottled from an underground source, not from whatever municipality). Lastly there’s a debate in some circles about fluoridation. Tap water typically contains chlorine and/or fluoride. Certain bottled waters don’t have it.
Who knew something as simple as water could be this complicated?
the government standards are great, but they don’t measure the quality of your tap, but rather the quality of the water from the water processing plant. If you have old plumbing, you’re potentially ingesting mercury or god knows what else. Plus, these water tests don’t take into account the occaisional
.No, he doesn’t. If he wasn’t bottling the water, he would be making $0 extra, so technically he is saving
. a zero sum game, that the time your co-worker spends taking water home is better spent doing something else.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:44 am
The vodka filtering thing doesn’t really work, ask my alcoholic friend who bought the filter exactly for this purpose…
I’m seriously confused how you figure this guy is spending 20 minutes a day on water. Filling 2 bottles under the top should take less than half a minute total. He could keep the water in the fridge at work.
It sounds like he’s using the bottles as sealable drink cups. You go into a rant about how pointless it is to drink bottled water, but it sounds like he’s just drinking tap water and not bottled water at all.
How did this even end up on digg?
May 25th, 2007 at 5:44 am
He isnt really losing money he is actually making extra money - the company is still paying him for his time to fill up his water bottles so he is still comming out on top!
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May 25th, 2007 at 5:45 am
Refilling a plastic bottle with tap water is actually safer than drinking the original bottled water, because there are less remnants of the plasticizer from the bottle, which are a known carcinogins as well as chemicals that mimic the body’s own estrogens. Frankly, the longer the water sits in a plastic bottle, especially when the bottle is exposed to heat, the worse it is for your body to drink from that bottle.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:47 am
While I generally agree that bottled water is overpriced and probably not worth it, It is convenient. I drink bottled water water mainly because I can go the fridge, open the door and pick out a cold drink. I buy it when I’m at the store because my options are coke (or other soft drinks), which for some people feel is of better value than bottled water (maybe because of all the sugar???).
Recently, I purchased a fridge with a water dispenser and filter, and I drink a less bottled water at home (pretty much none), but I still buy water at the store, for the convenience of it.
Also, I haven’t heard about lead in bottled water yet (maybe there, but I haven’t heard about it), but the last couple of weeks, where I live, “lead in tap water” has been all the rage. Apparently those old pipes when lead piping was the cool thing to do, is not so cool any more. Of course when the lead piping went out of style, people still used lead to seal the joints (hard to part with old traditions). So while I agree that water running the tap is very clean, some of the pipes that the water travels through may not be up to snuff. Of course, the governments that we all trust so dearly, dismiss it as being “acceptable” levels of lead, until some independent group decides to do actual lead counts.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:55 am
I have to disagree with some of your points - I drink bottled water all the time, but it’t not because I think that it’s more healthy or pure than tap water. It’s more convenient. At the gym, it’s much easier to have a bottle of water. At work, I just keep an empty water bottle and fill it from the water cooler and drink that all day (I don’t bring it home though). At home, I buy big jugs of bottled water simply because the taste of my tap water isn’t so great (tap water flavor varies from township to township).
Shadus - Fiji is excellent water, I agree. And I can’t stand Evian. Theoretically, water should be water, but there are certain brands that taste different than others, and Evian has a funky flavor that I don’t care for.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:58 am
First, you’re the one with flawed thinking. Look again at the situation. He’s going to work and he swings by his sink, grabs the two bottles, and keeps moving. Now he’s at work and he’s getting paid. He takes some water from the cooler, talks with you, and heads to his desk. By this time he’s charged the company to take their water and entertain you. If you’ve tried explaining your point of view to him as many times as you’ve implied then I’d say you should be fired. Because you are the one that is wasting money - the company’s money. Do you also blog from work?
I’m not going to check back here and I dugg you down.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:59 am
Considering the pollution to bottle the water (bottles are mostly plastic, a by-product of oil - a scarce commodity hence the war in Iraq, unrest in Nigeria), best just, one-time buy a water purifier, fix it to your tap and keep the flow pure. THe only once-off cost is the purifier and of course the filter that is changed annually. With all the plastic bottles around, no wonder mother earth is suffocating.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:02 am
Evian is naive spelled backwards
May 25th, 2007 at 6:03 am
i think your way off mark here, it def does not take 20 minutes to fill 2 little bottles of water.
What if he drinks them at his desk through out the day saving on time he uses to take water breaks. What if he drinks some on the way home.
You come off in this post sounding like a snobbish little rich kid that isnt worried about spending money on things you dont need to spend money on.
If you are so against bottled water you might as well get rid of your 5 gallon water cooler and just by a tap for the office think of all the savings!
asshat
May 25th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Wrong. There has been lots of evidence recently that the amount of fluoride we receive from tap water is bad for people, particularly infants. Brita filters don’t remove the fluouride. Usually the only convenient way to purchase water sans fluoride is to purchase bottled water. There is a strong benefit to bottled water.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Oh, geez, but MY brand is different! MY BRAND REALLY WORKS!!
“Never underestimate the stupidity of human beings”
-Lazarus Long
May 25th, 2007 at 6:05 am
It sounds like your friend is a salaried employee. Taking time to fill up the water bottles does not affect the amount of money he brings home. It might affect his productivity, but certainly no more than cigarette/internet/bathroom breaks. I would like to hear you “run through the numbers” with him for the entertainment value, especially since this habit is what prevents you from becoming friends.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:07 am
true words,but who cares?
May 25th, 2007 at 6:12 am
Your hourly wage argument is flawed. Say you make $50 an hour, does that mean every hour of your time is worth $50? No, of course not, every hour of your time is worth what someone will pay you for it. You may value your free time, but spending it filling water bottles doesn’t mean you’re foregoing $50/hour. If that were the case it would make economic sense to hire people to do everything for you, as long as their hourly wage was less than yours.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:13 am
I bring empty bottles to work, but there are filtered cold water machines at my work. Very nice. But, your numbers are flawed… You didnt put into consideration time it takes for the people buying bottled water to go to the gas station and pick them up. Unless you buy them in bundles at grocery store. But, I prefer my filtered water at work more than bottled water. Its super ice chilled!
May 25th, 2007 at 6:15 am
Must be the American branding. I serve my kids tap water, but my wife dislikes that I do. She says she feels better after drinking (any) bottled water.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:16 am
You say that he’s a salaried office worker, so this argument doesn’t pan out exactly as you say. Since he’s salaried, he’s _still getting paid_ during his bottle fill up time. So in this case he actually is saving money. Though you can argue that this is an unethical act because he is now saving money at the expense of his employer, akin to stealing office supplies if you will.
But if you want to crunch the numbers a little more, you’re making another assumption that 100% of time spent at work is 100% productive. I’m sure that you, me, and all office workers in the world will agree that there are peaks and valleys of our daily productivity. At $7.50 savings per hour, he only needs to replace any time that he’s only being roughly 40% or less productive (due to being tired, talking on the phone with his wife, etc..) with filling up his bottles. And I guarantee there are times of productivity less than that in the average office work day. Since he’s salaried he still needs to stay at the office until his work is done (probably) and he has justified his trade off of “less productive” work time with “now justifiably productive” bottle filling time.
Though he’s still stealing water
In any case, value of time is not as straight forward as this, especially in the case of salaried workers. If you’re not actually getting paid by the hour, an 8 hour work day is not realistic either. And the value of your away from work time does not equate to the hourly value of your work time because life just doesn’t roll like that.
just my 2 cents.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:17 am
Having spent much time as a kin in a area where we had drinkable natural spring waters (late 60’s early 70’s), the taste of most bottle waters have more in common with the container then spring water… I totally agree that you’re WAY better off with filtration.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:21 am
How is he losing $12.50 per hour? What the hell are you talking about?
May 25th, 2007 at 6:22 am
Are you nuts. How the hell is he losing money by filling up water bottles at work?
Think about it, he is at work, getting paid, therefore he isn’t losing any money at all filling up his water bottles. And seriously who takes 20mins to fill up 2 water bottles.
Your ending that you need to look at long term and not short term makes sense, just the example you are using is inaccurate and incorrect.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:24 am
He’s on the clock when he’s filling up the water bottles, no? So He’s GETTING PAID to fill up those bottle.
Plus, your calculations are off on your ‘time is money’ argument. See this post:
http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/time-is-not-money-at-least-not-yours
So one hour of his time is ‘worth’ $4.75 which changes things a bit.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:26 am
Interesting analysis - but isn’t it a bit shallow to keep someone as a “colleague and not a friend” just because they won’t bend to your will on an issue?
May 25th, 2007 at 6:28 am
The beginning of this article does not make any sense at all. He is not giving up part of his salary to fill water. Even if you made the assumption that he has to value his time, you couldn’t possibly come to the conclusion that his hourly wage is $20. You would have to divide his salary by all hours in a year. That is around $4 per hour. By this logic that 20 minutes would be valued normally at around $1.33. Since he is making $2-3, he would still come out ahead making $40,000/year. But who values their time in this manner. In short, you are an idiot.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:30 am
You also have to remember that water companies use reverse osmosis and filter the water which will eliminate more bacteria and the bad taste of tap water.
Yes you will save money by purchasing money, but depending on your area and how the city handles their water, you may not get as good of quality of water like said in this story. That’s why water companies charge so much, because it’s better quality and better tasting water than using filtered tap water.
My opinion, get a quarte, empty gallon bottle, fill it up at a water dispenser, poor it in a 24 oz water bottle and take that to work or where ever. I spend 1 dollar a month for water which takes a total of 8 minutes a month. Reverse osmosis and filtered.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:31 am
While I agree that people waste a lot of money on bottled water, the cost argument you make is really bad. First, how is it he loses 20 minutes out of every work day on water? Does it really take more than 2 minutes to fill up two 2L bottles from the cooler?
And even if, for the sake of argument, we assume he spends 20 minutes on it, you conclude, based on his $20/hr salary and $7.50/hr savings, that he’s losing $12.50/hr. But that’s irrelevant since he doesn’t spend all day filling water bottles. He would really be losing
($20.00/hr - $7.50/hr)*(1/3 hr) = $4.17 per day
And that assumes he’s going off the clock for those 20 minutes to fill his bottles, which I doubt is happening.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:31 am
I do not get your logic of your co-worker losing money on filling up his water bottle at work over buying a Brita for home use. 1) Your company is buying the water, 2) he is doing it on company time so he is getting paid to fill up his water, 3) the Brita costs him money. It looks like win win for your co-worker. Your theory would only be true if he was paying someone $20 per hour to get him free water. Sure, I think he is cheap and a little weird for doing this, but he still gains. The argument of saving $2-3 a day for being known as the company weirdo, in my opinion, would definitely kill any thoughts of mine for doing this. Who would want to be known as the company weirdo any way?
May 25th, 2007 at 6:31 am
You also have to remember that water companies use reverse osmosis and filter the water which will eliminate more bacteria and the bad taste of tap water.
Yes you will save money by purchasing a filter, but depending on your area and how the city handles their water, you may not get as good of quality of water like said in this story. That’s why water companies charge so much, because it’s better quality and better tasting water than using filtered tap water.
My opinion, get a quarte, empty gallon bottle, fill it up at a water dispenser, poor it in a 24 oz water bottle and take that to work or where ever. I spend 1 dollar a month for water which takes a total of 8 minutes a month. Reverse osmosis and filtered.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:33 am
There’s purified water which is normally [filtered] tap water, then there’s spring water and mineral water.
Spring water and mineral water have requirements. Spring water HAS to come from an aquifer, and mineral water HAS to stay as-is, meaning no stripping or adding minerals.
I’d say that MOST of the bottled water providers, provide spring water (Deerpark) to offices, not purified water like Dasani and Aquafina.
Just going out on a limb here but I doubt he really loses money doing this. I betcha he’s billing the time. Unless he’s in law where they count work every 6 minutes.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:34 am
Buying bottled water is a bad idea because it fills landfills with plastic and less than 3% of plastic is later recycled.
I think what they guy does may not save him money, but it makes him a better person.
See:
http://www.bestlifeonline.com/cms/publish/health-fitness/Our_oceans_are_turning_into_plastic_are_we_2_printer.shtml
http://tribine.lv/articles/344/1/
May 25th, 2007 at 6:38 am
People fail to make the distinction between bottled water(tap) and spring water.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:41 am
You say that you’re not friends like it’s YOUR decision. Maybe HE doesn’t want to be friends with you because you keep hassling him about a fairly innocent pastime.
Maybe if you just ignored what he’s doing and try talking about the season finale of Lost, you guys would connect and have some sort of relationship.
And about the water…you’re probably right in most respects, but the city water where I used to work was HORRIBLE. So much so that if you filled a bottle with it, then left it overnight you’d have to throw out the bottle because of the smell. It didn’t taste all that great either. Now, I just fill up a water bottle from the office cooler that I keep at my desk and I use a PUR water filter at home for my family.
I can’t comment on the taste of Fiji water because it’s been a LONG time since I had one, but the packaging is great. I love the square shape of the bottle.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:43 am
evian spelled backwards…
May 25th, 2007 at 6:44 am
i wouldn’t concern myself about this. if he wants to cheat the company, that’s his and his boss’s decision to make the call on. but, i live in a state in america that adds floride to the water and with so many parents now buying bottled water it’s been studied that more young children are having more cavities. so, the water is actually better for our young ones. plus. the water in my community tastes as well as or sometimes even better than the bottled water. everyone should check and see if the utility for water adds floride to the water and if you have young children, i would difinitely use the tap water for their sakes.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:47 am
I use bottled water at work, mainly because it’s convenient–not because it’s hip or makes me healthier. Plus, the water from the fountain at my office sucks. I made the choice not to drink fountain water. I also made the choice to buy generic brands of bottled water, because they are cheaper. Sure, I could spend a $1.25 at work on a bottle of water or soda, but why when I can spend $ 0.15/bottle from a 32 pack.
At home, it’s nice to have a sealed bottle of water on the nightstand–even if the bottle is refilled from the tap. Don’t have to worry about insects or dust diving in there during the night.
I also brew my own coffee rather than stop at a coffee shop (which could be its own discussion). I don’t use bottle water to make it, I simply turn on the tap. If I’m traveling, I don’t always want a soda–I sometimes want water.
Heck, if you want to talk about useless things, think about text messaging or content over your cell phone. Like you really need any of that stuff. Now THAT is a waste of money (at least for me)!
Still, it all goes back to choices. Now, I have to make the unfortunate choice of getting back to work.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:47 am
I don’t care what you say about saving money with a filter. City water just tastes awful, even filtered.
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May 25th, 2007 at 6:49 am
Shadus I think you need to read this article:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/pablo_calculate.php
lets look at the true cost of water not just the dough you are shelling out for a product you can get for free. By consuming bottled water you are also, by proxy, consuming all the energy that went into the production of the bottle, the ships, planes, trains, and trucks that brought it to a store near you as well as the fuel that ran all of them.
Unless you live in an area with bad water i.e. some well water, get a sturdy, reusable bottle and a filter at home. And put all your savings from not buying bottles and bottles of water into your retirement account.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:54 am
Clearly, you’re not living under heavy water restrictions due to a drought, with serviceable (but unpleasant tasting) tap water. Your priorities change when you do!
We went to the trouble of buying a water cooler for the house so we have chilled, clean water readily available. Sure, we could filter it, store it and chill it and decant it into bottles - but the time we save is worth more to us than the tanks of water.
Which is another point - you forgot to factor in the time involved in either buying bottled water or the filters, filling up your own bottles, chilling it (they take a surprising amount of space in the fridge)… your colleague seems to have the jump on you by avoiding all that hassle for a relatively minor cost!
May 25th, 2007 at 6:57 am
The general idea of this journal comforts me, in a sense that there are others out there with a healthy view on bottled water. However, I think you guys need to taste bottled water from Norway.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:59 am
Purified water, Spring water, Distilled water, they are so many! Consumers usually just buy bottled water just to be safe, and often in most cases is safer bet than tap water. Do they care what kind?
Have you ever ordered bottled water in a restaurant or fast food and asked a specific water? No, you only ask bottled water.
While consumers keep buying, selling will only grow.
May 25th, 2007 at 6:59 am
You can’t filter low vodka to make higher quality. It’s already been proven.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:00 am
Poorly written article, try drinking some alcohol before your next entry.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:00 am
@Shadus
Fiji is actually one of the worst waters to buy. You could argue that it tastes better to you and your budget allows you the option to purchase it, but here’s an excerpt from a writeup on Fiji:
“In summary, the manufacture and transport of that one kilogram bottle of Fiji water consumed 26.88 kilograms of water (7.1 gallons) .849 Kilograms of fossil fuel (one litre or .26 gal) and emitted 562 grams of Greenhouse Gases (1.2 pounds).”
In order for that water to get from Fiji to your hand, there’s a lot more going on then you just paying a few cents more.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:01 am
“So, by doing this, he’s actually losing $12.50 per hour.”
When most people make this calculation of “opportunity cost”, they fail to realize an important piece of information. People are usually payed only for a fixed number of hours per day / week. For example, your co-worker is probably paid a salary for working 40 hours per week. If he works for 40 hours and 20 minutes, his paycheck won’t reflect the extra 20 minutes of work. Therefore, spending time bottling water is most likely _not_ costing him the $20/hr he would have otherwise been making.
When I was younger I would rationalize taking a taxi instead of waiting for the bus this way: I make $X/hr. If it takes me 20 minutes longer to get to work by transit than by a taxi, and the taxi is less than $X/(60/20)+(cost of bus), I should take the taxi, since I will actually be _saving_ money. What both you and I failed to realize was that it was not a case of either sitting on the bus or making money - I would work the same number of hours whether I got there 20 minutes earlier or not, and hence make the same amount of money, and hence taking the taxi would always be a waste of money. The same logic applies to your co-worker: he can both fill his bottles _and_ work his eight hours - it’s not an either/or case.
That’s not to say that there is no opportunity cost for your co-worker’s bottle filling exercise - there is always an opportunity cost for any activity (e.g. he could be spending that 20 minutes playing with his children, reading a book, etc). In his case, however, he’s decided that the benefits from bottling his water for those 20 minutes outweigh the opportunity costs (i.e. he has nothing better to do ;)).
May 25th, 2007 at 7:02 am
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May 25th, 2007 at 7:04 am
Maybe he doesn’t do it to save the money its the story he tells himself when he does it. Its the justification he gets from filling up those jugs everyday.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:07 am
This is how you determine a “friend?”
You sir, are a Grade A MORON.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:07 am
While I agree that it is a waste of time, the idea of water refilling actually costing him water per hour is ridiculous. If he was to get paid for every minute of work instead of a flat yearly salary (I’m assuming), he might listen to you about losing money. I suppose there are many people who make salary and commissions, who would also be interested in maximizing the value of their time. However, many of us on salaries spend more than 20 minutes a day reading personal email, or browsing ebay. We don’t make less money because of it.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:07 am
For people traveling in other countries, bottled water is the safest water to drink, even considering that it’s more unregulated there. Often the choices are between drinking local water that is 100% known to be infested / polluted or bottled water that is probably better. For people living elsewhere (like Istanbul, Bombay, Mexico City) the research into filtering their own water and being sure that it is safe is daunting.
And, Fiji water is awesome.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:10 am
that’s funny — i was thinking the same thing as shadus, but i thought of evian. i believe i can pick out evian in a taste test against any water…
May 25th, 2007 at 7:17 am
Isn’t Fiji brand water actually imported from Fiji though, I thought I read something like that on the bottle once.
As for the guy: if he’s filling up his bottles during his work hours and still getting the same pay despite wasting these 20 minutes then he’s not really losing money. He might be losing the company money at the rate you suggest however.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:17 am
fiji is one of the worst water producers. they use more water to make their bottled water than what is actually bottled.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:24 am
I don’t agree with you on a few points here.
1. Tap water has chlorine and flouride in it. Both are technically poisons, and at the least are very acidifying to your body like refined sugar or alchohol. At worst, your water could contain high doses of Radium, lead, or a chlorine resistant parasite like Giardia or Cryptosporidium. I can also recall widespread water contamination from various sources in the local news several times.
Unless you are fortunate enough to live in a place where the tap water is purified through reverse osmosis, your tap water is not the best thing to be drinking.
2. The quip you made about “do you know something the government doesn’t” caught my eye. It was the government that said Agent Orange was safe for humans. That same one allowed food manufacturers to omit trans fats on the labels of our foods for years untill unbiased studies revealed how dangerous it is. That same government approved prescription drugs like Vioxx,and Fen Phen. I could go on with similar examples but I won’t.
3. How can you possibly spend 10min filling a water bottle from the cooler? I can fill up 2L in about 1min from the office cooler.
4. The argument for time is money i also find somewhat flawed even if it somehow takes you 10min to fill a 2L bottle. You generally have a fixed number of hours that you can work and get paid, say 8hrs. You usually can’t say, “oh, i’m not going to fill my water bottle today because i’m going to work another 30min and get paid for it.”
5. Brita and PuR filters greatly restrict the water flow (ahem, Brita is as slow as making drip coffee) forcing you to spend significantly more time filling anything, even 8oz can be painfully slow. I know, I used to use a PuR.
6. Brita filters do not filter very well. 93% lead, 75%+ chlorine, 0% cysts, THM, VOCs, Alachlor, Atrazine, Benzene, TCE, MTBE. PuR is much better but still misses some. 0% THM, VOCs, Alachlor, Benzene, TCE, MTBE.
http://www.waterfiltercomparisons.net/WaterFilter_Comparison.cfm
7. If your co-worker spends 3min/day filling his water bottles from the office cooler, he doesn’t have to spend approx $100/year + another approx. 7min per day on water filters and filling his bottles. As long as the boss doesnt mind, he is being frugal, even if it only amounts to a maximum savings of about 15min and $0.25/day
8. Finally, as you came to the same conclusion, filtered is ultimately better than bottled, but some of my reasonings are different.
-Bottled water is indeed not regulated.
-You are mostly paying for the bottle, and shipping
-The plastic bottles usually end up in the landfill
-Storing water in any plastic for an extended period may pick up trace plastisizers which are often extremely dangerous. This is why I prefer glass whenever possible.
As a note, I will admit that currently I buy bottled water in 1.5L bottles. It is vapor distilled, contains electrolytes, and is the best tasting water I’ve ever had. The Gym I go to also requires plastic bottles so I have little choice for glass. After I finish the 1.5L I usually fill it up again half way at the office. I try to recycle the bottles but only re-use them once because of the plastisizers.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:33 am
Gotta agree with Shadus…Fiji is where it’s at. Otherwise I go for the tap.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:34 am
I guess it depends where you live. My tap water tastes horrible, like wet dog fur, it also comes out of Lake Ontario arguably one of the most polluted bodies of water in the world.
I personally have no problem paying for bottled Spring water which tastes a hundred times better and has fewer chemicals in it. While government reports often say tap water is not bad for you, read how they word it. They don’t say there aren’t trace chemicals in it, only that it won’t hurt you, there’s a big difference.
As well, many people say bottled water is just tap water, this is untrue. Certainly Coke and Pepsi sell water from the tap, but many there brands are from springs, or wells or glaciers.
Most people have things they spend money on cause they like better quality: most cars have four wheels and get you where you want to go yet people spend a fortune on “better” cars also because of advertising and playing to people’s self image. Some people prefer expensive wine to the cheap stuff, so? I prefer bottled water to the tap and will happily pay more for it.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:37 am
wrong calculation! He is using his boss’s time to fill the water, so it means he is getting paid while he is filling the water.
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May 25th, 2007 at 7:41 am
I disagree that it isn’t worth his time, there’s dead time in every day for everyone, it’s not like he’s gotta stay late to make up for the two minutes he spends filling up his water bottles- no one can work straight through all day every day.
Try saying to him “if you didn’t fill up your water bottles you could leave 20 minutes earlier” and see what he says.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:44 am
What’s really ironic is that the “water” companies are really the soda companies. They weren’t always, but most have been bought out. Coke owns Dasani and I can’t remember the one Pepsi owns, but my point is these companies spent years telling you that drinking poison is good for you and now they’re selling you the smae water that comes out of your tab and you’re paying a LOT of money for it. I used to buy bottled water until I bought a water softener for my house, I havent’ bought one since. The water tases as good or better then anything else that I can get.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:45 am
Did anyone really read this? What a bunch of fuzzy math! Tell me this, you say he doesn’t respect his own time but I bet he’s still getting paid when he’s filling the water bottles. Not to mention your insanely wrong calculation stating he is actually losing $7.50 on the hour. This guy is strange for taking water home from work, but you’re a moron.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:46 am
“I guess this is why this person is a colleague and not a friend. I have tried to explain this to him on several occasions, running through the numbers with him and talking about how his business presence is severely compromised with this money-saving habit of his, but to no avail.”
And geez that makes you sound insufferable, no wonder this guy won’t be your friend.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:48 am
Here is an interesting article about the true cost of Fiji Water.
http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/askpablo-exotic-bottled-water-002401.php
May 25th, 2007 at 7:53 am
well actually, because salaried employees are paid a salary regardless of how many hours they work, he really isnt losing any money. and really, neither would the wage employee, since they wouldnt be docking his pay for the the time spent filling up water. so, he may be crazy to think bottled water is any better, but if he is going to buy it anyways, he’s saving himself a lot of money….
May 25th, 2007 at 7:54 am
Fuji? Are you on crack? That stuff tastes JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER WATER!
Marketing drone invasion! Marketing drone invasion!
May 25th, 2007 at 7:57 am
There are some major flaws in your cost breakdown. First of all, I assume he’s in a salaried position, so it’s not like he’s “losing” anything money wise. Second of all, 20 minutes to fill two bottles of water and put them in the fridge? He’s have to be the slowest person on the planet. 5 Minutes tops… at 5 minutes of time spent, that $2.50 per day evens out to a much more respectable $30 per hour wage.
May 25th, 2007 at 7:58 am
For those of you that do buy bottled water, I have one comment: spell the brand name Evian backwards. That’s what you are!
May 25th, 2007 at 8:08 am
The use of filters is a good idea and less expensive than bottled water also it doesn’t involve all that wasted plastic and rounds of shopping. i use filters attached to the tap on the kitchen sink made by culligan, they last 3 or 4 months. another drawback of bottled water is that it doesn’t contain fluoride which is great for teeth, so bottled water is likely to raise your dental bills too!
May 25th, 2007 at 8:09 am
Might want to rethink that Fiji water… untouched also means unfiltered. Pure water doesn’t taste like anything.
http://www.finewaters.com/Newsletter/August_2006/Clevel_takes_offense_at_Fiji_Water_Ad.asp
May 25th, 2007 at 8:09 am
@Shadus
Last time I checked, good water shouldn’t taste like anything. So if your Fiji water tastes like something, I’d wonder what they put in it. There’s a reason they say not to drink the water when you travel to another country.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:11 am
I agree with Shadus on Fiji….oooooohh so gooooood. All the others are the same. I still buy bottled water, but only when I really need it and I don’t have anything to drink.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:14 am
They don’t mention the FLOURIDE though. There are no filters that you can buy for less then $1000 that will filter the flouride out of your tap water. I only drink bottled water because it doesnt have the flouride.
Google Dental fluorosis to see what flouride does. FYI it was never FDA approved and has never been tested to show ANY benefit.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:15 am
I know this blog is about saving money, and from that perspective this article makes good points. But bottled water is horrible for the environment. It diverts huge amounts of water (which is not an unlimited resource) from the areas where it is bottled, as well as the environmental overhead associated with the use of plastic bottles and transportation costs.
Come on people, don’t take things for granted. When you’re out on the go, fine, grab a bottle of water. But just grab some tap water when you can. It’s the same stuff, and it’s just as easy.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:18 am
Wait, if he’s filling up the water bottles at work, isn’t he still getting paid for that time? I fail to see why the time he spends is a cost to him since he’s probably salaried and not working by the hour anyway. By far the biggest cost to him is to be known as the “water stealing guy” at the office. In terms of his reputation and career prospects, that’s got to hurt.
I do agree on the quality of bottled water vs. filtered. I think last year a bottled water company used a line like “It says Springs, because it’s not from Cleveland” in an ad. The Cleveland water department struck back by showing that Cleveland tap water contained less arsenic than the company’s bottled water. Maybe they should be selling “Cleveland Springs”.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:19 am
I buy my five gallon bottles of water at Home Depot for $6.95 per bottle. (The initial ten dollar deposit is credited each time I return a bottle for a new one). What I love most about Home Depot bottled water is that the water dispenser I bought at Home Depot for $99 has a hot and a cold spout. I can get hot water for tea or instant coffer 24/7 out of one spout, and I can get ice cold water 24/7 out of the other spout.
Besides which, the Home Depot bottle water is excellent tasting.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:21 am
What about the fact that he’s basically stealing the company’s bottled water? Did that come up at all in your conversation?
May 25th, 2007 at 8:23 am
Your per hour loss/gain argument is all well and good… that is assuming this person actually does get paid per hour. Being a salaried employee that gets paid a flat rate no matter your “actual” work hours this guy is actually saving money no matter how you look at it.
In FACT- he is getting PAID to fill his water bottles, not saving money at all.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:27 am
where do you get 20 minutes from does it take 20 minutes to fill a 2L bottle at the watercooler?
bottled water isnt worth it technically but tap can be bad in areas close to cities nuclear facilities OIL companies etc and a filter is the way to go
May 25th, 2007 at 8:29 am
Not all bottled waters are the same. Read the labels, for instance Fiji is very different than Aquafina or Dasani. Other waters such as Ohm Water or Aqua Di Vita also have better, wetter taste and added frequencies.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:35 am
your math is WAY off man
8hrs*60min = 480 - 20min on filling = 460 / 60 = 7.666 hrs * 5.15/hr = $39.483 EARNED
8hrs*5.15/hr = $41.20 EARNED if he isn’t filling bottles and wasting time
41.20-39.49 = $1.71/day lost
and ok sure $2.50 for a few bottles of water
2.50 saved - 1.71 lost = $0.79 gained
this is far from the $7.50 a day you are trying to claim
now here is the real kicker, the company pays no matter what, they aren’t docking people for filling water bottles or cups with water, or taking pee breaks or anything else. so he’s actually saving time that he would be working, to do something much less important, and i’d assume easier than his job. sounds like a great deal to me
May 25th, 2007 at 8:35 am
Wrong, the tap water rust your tools, it taste like crap and who knows who’s dumping toxic waste in it (See movie “Civil Action” or “Erin Bronckhovich”). So now why should I drink that ? If it was cleaner, yes of course I would drink tap water, but it tastes like crap.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:36 am
Hey you forgot that bottled water is not fluoridated. I pour a glass of tap water in NYC and I cant even see through it. You think I’m drinking that? Psssssss
May 25th, 2007 at 8:41 am
What do you care? Let a guy fill up his water bottles in peace. What gives you the authority to criticize your coworkers… and besides, you’re talking about water… from a water cooler… that you don’t even pay for. Seriously, lighten up.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:43 am
I live in California and I think the tap water here is undrinkable water.
I used to buy 36-lots of the cheapest water from Von/Safeway (36 50ml bottles of Refreshe water for $3.99 on sale). Now, I have a reverse osmosis water filter at home. It cost $230 plus several hours to install. The water that comes out of it tastes perfect, like bottled water. I don’t drink bottled water because I think it is better for me. It just tastes better.
Incidentally, your logic doesn’t hold up in the real world. Using your logic, he should avoid spending any time in the toilet because he is losing money when he is taking a dump instead of working. He gets paid no matter what he is doing. I think what your co-worker is doing amounts to theft. Why doesn’t he start “saving money” by taking a few office supplies home? Heck, he might as well take a few computers home while he is at it.
You wrote: “But nowadays, most people just install filters directly on their faucets. In doing so, you get higher quality water (even better than the bottled water) at a much lower price.”
What evidence do you have to support the claim that water from a faucet filter is higher quality than bottled water? Speaking from my own experience, before I started buying bottled water I tried using a Britta faucet filter. It barely did anything to change the taste of the water. The reverse osmosis filter that I have now blows the Britta filter out of the water. Pun intended.
Your analysis of the costs associated with using a Britta filter doesn’t make sense. You say that first four months will be the most expensive and it gets cheaper after that. If you stretch your logic to an illogical extreme, you can propose that your first glass of water from the Britta filter will cost you $70 and its free for the next 4 months. You have to amortize the up-front cost plus the maintenance (new filter) costs over the life span of the unit.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:44 am
Every morning I come into work, open the fridge and take out a chilled bottle of water that was filled from the tap. I, like you cant drink “warm” water and prefer it chilled, I sure as hell don’t care where it’s from.
In the UK, drinking water is 99.9% filtered before it even gets to you, whats Evian going to do that would actually accept their water is better?! In some English counties they input high levels of fluoride to help the nations teeth (”God knows the Brits need it!” I hear you say). All in all, it has to be tap water!
May 25th, 2007 at 8:45 am
Your “not worth time” argument is only valid if he is not getting paid while filling up the water. I doubt he clocks out of work gets water and then clocks back in
May 25th, 2007 at 8:49 am
I hate to break it to you, but your logic is faulty. Much to your boss’ chagrin, your coworker is still getting paid while he’s filling the bottles–if it’s a white collar position, he’s likely salaried, or if he’s filling the bottles while “on the clock” in an hourly wage position. In either case, it’s the equivalent of giving himself a brief $7.50/hr raise. Additionally, he doesn’t have to pay for the water to filter, which you left out of your calculations.
May 25th, 2007 at 8:50 am
In general, I agree with you: bottled water is very similar to tap water, and isn’t worth paying a premium for. I disagree with you about your friend and his water and his ‘hourly worth’. Your time is only equal to money if you get paid all the time. Your friend who takes 20 mins a day to fill up free water bottles, still gets his full 40k salary a year whether or not he fills up the bottles.
Also, maybe his tap water tastes funny.
May 25th, 2007 at 9:02 am
Since when did we start drinking water for its taste?
May 25th, 2007 at 9:03 am
maybe you don’t live in an urban environment, but tap water in cities tastes disgusting. there’s nothing wrong with bottled water, but there is something wrong with stealing from your employer!
May 25th, 2007 at 9:08 am
Umm, the major factor you negelect to mention is that most water supplies in the US are poisioned with flouride, and while several bottled waters also contain this poison, there are some that do not…or at very very low lvls…home filters for the most part (except for some of the high end very expensive filters) are incapable of removing flouride, a known nerotoxin as well as causeing mottled teeth and bone spurs, and is in no way safe for human consumption..
May 25th, 2007 at 9:15 am
You cannot compare saving money by what this guy makes per hour. Who’s to say he would be working that extra 20 minutes had he not filled up the bottles of water? Perhaps he is on the clock while he fills them up. Also, just because you’re payed $20/hr doesn’t mean every hour of your day should be worth $20. If we all adopted that mind set how would we eat,sleep, or relax. We would constantly be telling ourselves, “Hmm, this meal costs $5 to prepare but it takes me an hour to cook and eat it. This meal costs me $25, that isn’t worth it, I will just skip the meal and pick up a snack from the vending machine.”
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May 25th, 2007 at 10:18 am
If he was working an hourly wage and spent time every morning to go down to the lake to fill up, then an argument as such would make sense. However, I don’t see how spending time filling up bottles of water at work correlates with actually being paid more or less– he’s technically being paid to do so.
I agree about the brita though, I’m totally gonna get one.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:25 am
I didn’t see anywhere where you calculate the value of the time you wasted in preaching your ideas to him, or figuring out the calculations for him, or writing this silly blog.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:26 am
You’ve made a few mistakes on your reasoning there ace. The plastic residues used in bottling water are very harmful. The time he spends in the office isn’t time/money he’s losing, your employer is footing the bill on that one. You neglect to think that his time spent with a brita is worth money as well. Actually, he is spending his own time with the brita so he is the one paying for the time to do so.
Good try, just a little backwards.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:29 am
The vodka-filtering is a joke. Vodka as sold in the USSA adheres to higher standards of purity than any water does. Vodka, cheap or otherwise, is ethyl alcohol and water, unless someone decided to flavor it and charge more.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:30 am
Interesting facts about Fiji water….
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/pablo_calculate.php
May 25th, 2007 at 10:50 am
They disproved the “vodka filter” myth on Mythbusters. I know people still do it, I just don’t want people picking it up from this article.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:52 am
What about the wallet of the company this guy works for? It is immoral to take a half gallon of water home with you each day, when that water is intended to be used by employees during the workday. I remember someone I used to work with who would take tons of ketchup and mustard packets home with her, claiming it was okay because “they are free.” That kind of attitude seems far to common, doesn’t it?
May 25th, 2007 at 10:53 am
A few months ago someone hit a water main near our house and we were without for a few hours. When they turned it back on the water smelled really fresh so I decided to give it a little taste test and believe it or not, the water tasted bottled.
My wife and I couldn’t believe it! After all these years tap water was finally drinkable again. Long story short, we drank water straight from the tap for a bout a week, after which it went back to tasting like puddle water from a construction site.
I used to wonder if they purposely were making our water taste awful so that they could charge us an arm and a leg for clean water… now I know the truth.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:53 am
So tell me again how this guy is losing money. He earns his salary plus saves money on buying water or purchasing a Brita filtering system by bringing home water from the office. The 20 minutes a day he spends doing this is being paid for by your company (he can bottle it during his lunch hour). Getting paid to bottle free water sounds pretty good to me.
May 25th, 2007 at 11:08 am
For all the math analysis, there is a simpler explanation. I’m sure, being a white-collar job, he doesn’t exactly have a punch card to report his hours. I imagine he’s not actually losing money during his water filling time because he is getting paid for it, doing it on company time. Now, whether or not actually filling up bottled water is worth his time for the water’s sake, well I think you answered that pretty well.
May 25th, 2007 at 11:12 am
Your calculations are based on the fact that he doesn’t work /get paid when he fills up the water bottles when in fact he IS getting paid during the filling. There is no way to lose money during this ordeal because he’s getting paid no matter what he does in the office. So he has to be saving money.
May 25th, 2007 at 11:31 am
Actually your colleague is right and you are wrong.
As you said he is a ‘white collar professional’ right?
That means he is on salary.
It doesn’t matter if he wastes 20 minutes per day filling up his water bottle or not.
He is paid for that time regardless.
So instead of working or browsing the internet at his job he is saving $3 per day filling up water bottles.
Most of us are in dead end ‘white collar jobs’ with little/no chance of advancement and we need to save every damn penny we can before we are off shored.
May 25th, 2007 at 11:41 am
It seems to me that saving $5-700 a year is worth it. I have trouble imagining it takes him 20 minutes to fill two 2L bottles. You can’t count the time spent walking to the car with them because he has to do it anyway. In fact, it sounds to me like you have decided it’s a bad idea and then started looking for numbers to justify it.
There are only two problems I see with his solution.
1) The potential harm it may do his image. He can overcome this with a winning personality.
2) Having to listen to people who repeatedly tell you saving $500 a year isn’t worth it and then back up their claim with long-winded arguments.
May 25th, 2007 at 11:43 am
im glad you deleted my post, it makes me feel good that all these people agree with me even after you deleted what i said. your obviously a snoody person.
May 25th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
The only problem is that there have been links between Brita water filters (the carbon in them specifically) and cancer. If you really want to be safe and filter your own tap water, you really need to spend a bundle to get a real filter. In the end, it’s not about saving money for me. It’s about staying out of the hospital.
May 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Glad to see people are either posting about how bottled water is better than tap (not what the article is about). Or that your math is notion that this guy is losing money is absurd. Thanks for removing my first post BTW.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
If you can Please watch the HBO show “Penn and Teller BS”, specifically the one on bottled water. It will bring to light many concerns on this topic and entertain you at the same time.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
i like how at the end you say “this is why this person is a colleague and not a friend”
like this insignificant quirk of his makes him less of a person
and what armpit of the world do you live in where minimum wage is $5.15 ???
May 25th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Wait, wait, wait… bottled water = tap water!!! rigghhhhttttt…. it’s all Marketing!!! Suuuurre…
The person who wrote this article read an article somewhere 5th hand but probably never bought a bottle of water or drinks out of a pristine well or is in a city where the water quality is superb (don’t know where that is).
For me, I tend to think for myself and look for myself and test for myself… regardless of what anyone else says…
I live in Florida and to say that tap water = bottled water is insane. Florida tap water makes me gag. I can’t stomach it and won’t drink it. Loaded with Chlorine, Fluoride and who knows what else. Put any supermarket, cheapo bottled water against it and you’ll choose the bottled water every time on taste (if you’re semi-conscious).
Now… most of the bottled “spring” waters out there are in fact sourced at municipal water supplies… this is true… the water has been run through reverse osmosis water filtration. Some companies like Dasani, then add in some extra mineral combinations to “soften” the water and give it their own spin. Other bottled water claims to come from “Springs” but who knows.
But I digress… if you feel that drinking swimming pool water is safe long term, go for it. If your senses don’t immediately tell you that something is absolutely “wrong” with most tap water, well then I’m afraid, for you “spring water does in fact = tap water”. To each his own; everyone has their standards I guess.
So what do I drink? Well, I had been using a filter for two years (reverse osmosis) which I thought was the ultimate until I found out from my doctor that reverse osmosis water, just like distilled water, isn’t great for drinking long term. Why? Well it’s because water in this state actually is devoid of all the minerals in the water. It’s often referred to as “hungry water”. What does this mean?
Found this online, “Reverse Osmosis water is not in a state normally found in nature - it is devoid of electrical charge and minerals. This creates a detrimental issue in that the water is “hungry” and so attempts to right itself and leeches from hot water tanks and pipes and will actually cause damage to your heater and pipes.” (the same thing happens to a body)
So, what do I drink now? I like both Fiji and Volvic. Volvic however is my new favorite. It’s got a ph of 7.0 and seem much wetter than most waters I’ve drank. If you’ve never tried these, splurge and go get a small bottle of Fiji or Volvic and then some cheapo supermarket stuff…. Drink the good stuff first… Volvic or Fiji… swish it around… and then drink your tap water… see if you don’t fall out of your seat. Then compare again the good stuff to your cheapo supermarket brand bottled water and I guarantee, if you pay attention you’ll notice a big difference.
So… is tap water = spring water? BUSTED! No way in hell, not in my book! You could give me a “pepsi challenge” any day of the week and I could tell you every time. I’m sure anyone else could too, so long as they were half-alive and not unconscious.
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May 26th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Rofl at people comparing brands of water here.
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May 29th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
People say the quality of tap is just as good or better than bottled due to the govt’s purification, standards, etc. That may not be entirely true though because how pure it is at the processing plant doesn’t mean it’s that pure coming out of my faucet. Lots of people in the states live in old buildings, apt’s, etc. Bacteria can grow in the pipes and by the time it gets into my cup, all kinds of stuff is in it.
One place I lived at on the east coast within the past 5 years, you could see strands of “stuff” in a glass of water you’d pour from the tap. Even looking at it as it came from the tap, you could see stuff coming out of it. So it may have been clean coming from the plant but by the time it got through all the pipes, I’d have darn near sea-monkeys in my glass!
They say the same thing about dentists offices. I saw a story on tv that did a study and the water in most offices toilets was cleaner than what came out of what the dentist uses to rinse your mouth. It’s because water stays in the pipes and things grow in there, so even though the tools are sterilized, the final water coming out is the equivalent to pond water.
So for me, bottled water is safer until I move into a newly constructed house where I know the pipes are brand new and even then I’ll be using a filter.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Some of us need the bottled water and depending upon which brand you drink, it can be very high quality. Tried the Britta filters, but ended with Arrowhead Distilled delivered to my door (5-gal bottles).
The water from my tap will kill goldfish. You must use bottled water in your fishbowl or they die! No, we don’t use the distilled water for the fish…
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:34 pm
Hi,
I do use a water bottle at work place.
I don know if i am saving water or money. It does help me increase my productivity many fold.
If i take a break to reach the water cooler, i only spend a minute, but the flow is disturbed.
June 24th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
Good post. I admire this guy. Lukewarm water can always be refridgerated